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Message of the Day:- 1 Timothy 6:6-10 - "6But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. 8But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. 9People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. 10For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. Link - Cult Watch.

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Old 18th June 2008, 10:56 AM   #1
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First and foremost, I would like to declare that I am against sin.

I was in an "army-like" church for more than a decade and was taught to be conscious of my sins. I was taught to "repent" and confess them. The more I do that, I became very sin-conscious and began to sin much more.....even compare to being when I was a non-christian as it was a vicious cycle.

Analogy: few boys went through a deserted lane and that were houses along the path. They went through the first few houses without any problem....however, the one of the house has a lot of signages stated "keep off the grasses, naughty boys will be punished". Guess what the signages stirred the boys to do?......They will take stones and throw at the windows and maybe stomped on the grasses.

You see the law was given to us to show us our sins.....to bring the end to ourselves.....so that we can see our need for the Saviour.
The Law is holy and do not have the power to make us holy. All religions teaches laws and more laws......DOs and DON"Ts

Christianity is about relationship with a loving Saviour, who at the cross took ALL our sins and paid for it. A debt that we cannot pay.

After being the sons and daughters of the Most High, I now know that we should not be led by the Laws (which all religion are doing), but by Him who will teaches us ALL things.
I am glad to be taught of Jesus and His finished work at the cross........the veil that blocked my eyes were unveiled and I can see Jesus's GOOD NEWS is indeed GOOD NEWS indeed. As I focused on Jesus and His Love, I fall in love with Him and was in love since then.....I am now much less "sin-conscious" as I know His blood is cleaning my soul continuously.....and now more "Christ-conscious". I looked back and can see myself sin so much lesser as compared to the time that I was taught to be "sin-conscious".

AMEN...this is indeed the power to reign over sin!!!

Psalm 32:1 - Blessed (or fortunate) is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputes no iniquity."

Hope that by my life testimony, you can find HIS power to live a sinLESS (sin less) life.

Shalom.....
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one of God's beloved son

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Great! You mentioned you are Christ-conscious, please tell me about Him, i have not met many who really know Christ. How do you be Christ conscious? You must have spend much fellowship with the Lord to know His ways. Or are you just like a church in Singapore that talks about Christ consciousness but do not really know Him at all.
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Old 18th June 2008, 06:14 PM   #3
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Great! You mentioned you are Christ-conscious, please tell me about Him, i have not met many who really know Christ. How do you be Christ conscious? You must have spend much fellowship with the Lord to know His ways. Or are you just like a church in Singapore that talks about Christ consciousness but do not really know Him at all.
Hi iLife,

To be Christ-conscious is to have a John-like attitude towards God's love for us. John is very conscious about God’s love for him and is the only disciple at the foot of the cross, fit for our MASTER’s use – Jesus asked John to take care of his physical mother after his death.

To be Christ-conscious, you need to listen to teachings and sermons from anointed preachers that preach and teach the TRUE GOSPEL.

Rom 10:17 So faith {comes} from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

Hope you are under such anointed teaching, or are you in some legalistic church that teaches you to be sin-conscious, like my previous "army-like" church

Shalom.....
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Oh that's great! Gathering from your previous posts, i really am not sure whether to believe what love really is from YOUR perspective.
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Old 18th June 2008, 09:13 PM   #5
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Oh that's great! Gathering from your previous posts, i really am not sure whether to believe what love really is from YOUR perspective.
I guess you cannot apprehend GOD"S LOVE for His children. You can better understand "master and servant" relationship ..... doing things to please your Lord

" Right Believing will produce Right Living ! "

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Old 18th June 2008, 09:22 PM   #6
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Heb 10:1 For the Law, since it has {only} a shadow of the good things to come {and} not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near.
Heb 10:2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins?

Pls examine the above scriptures and conclude if God wants us to be "sin-conscious" ...... read your bible and conclude for yourselves
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Okay...once again taking the term "sin conscious" to an extreme. Could you ever discern truth in right light?

By the way, i live in a different covenant & time from the OT folks, & i know sonship. Besides that servanthood fits into the new covenant too. Or is it another extreme of yours...you only see sonship.
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Heb 10:1 For the Law, since it has {only} a shadow of the good things to come {and} not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near.
Heb 10:2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins?

Pls examine the above scriptures and conclude if God wants us to be "sin-conscious" ...... read your bible and conclude for yourselves
Sorry didn't include earlier, extremism in action.
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First and foremost, I would like to declare that I am against sin.
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AMEN...this is indeed the power to reign over sin!!!

Psalm 32:1 - Blessed (or fortunate) is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputes no iniquity."

Hope that by my life testimony, you can find HIS power to live a sinLESS (sin less) life.

Shalom.....
In Him,
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What crap! You are just as crafty as a serpent!
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What crap! You are just as crafty as a serpent!
You comment reflect your poor approach to teaching contrary to what you believe.
Let me ask you: Have you live a sinless life (your entire life, free from sinful actions) ?
I do not think so, I know one man did and his name is Jesus.

Let me share with you on The Basics of Understanding the Bible

In order to understand the Bible, one must study dispensationally, that is, rightly divide the scriptures (2 Timothy 2:15). But what does it mean to study dispensationally or to rightly divide? On the most basic level: It is reading a Bible passage and asking, "Am I in the group of people being spoken to here?" That is, "Is this passage speaking to Christians?" Most commonly, we are taught that the entire Bible is written to us. But that is not entirely correct. The whole Bible is written for us, for our learning, but not all of it is addressed to us.
For example: When God gave the law to the people of Israel through Moses in about 1500 BC, one of the laws was to do no work on the Sabbath. The Sabbath lasts from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday. When a man was found picking up sticks on the Sabbath in Numbers 15:32-36, God commanded the people of Israel to put him to death by stoning. Now does that mean if we see our neighbor mowing his grass on Saturday morning that he is committing a sin? Should we round up the whole neighborhood and kill him? Of course not. We must realize that the children of Israel were not Christians. We are not under the law of Moses like they were then. They lived in a different dispensation from us.
The word "dispensation" comes from the word "dispense". So a dispensation is an administration (or dispensing) of God's will over a certain period of time to a certain group of people. In other words, a dispensation is God's way of dealing with a group of people during a particular time period. To properly understand a Bible passage, it is important to know both the time period to which it refers, and the group of people to which it applies. This way, you can determine which dispensation applies to each Biblical passage.
God has had different rules for different groups of people in different time periods. Not only may the rules be different, but the punishment for not keeping the rules may be different. The way God interacts with man may be different. Sometimes even the environment man lives in may be different.
Here is an easy example that illustrates the point: Capital punishment.
1. When Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, there was no capital punishment for murder. For that matter there was no sin at all for which to be punished. On top of that, there was no death at all, since the fall of man had not yet happened. 2. A few years after Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden of Eden, Cain, their son, murdered his brother, Abel (Genesis 4:8-15). But there was no capital punishment for Cain. God had not yet allowed it. Furthermore, God put a mark on Cain so that no one would kill him. 3. After the great flood, God instituted capital punishment for murder (Genesis 9:6). 4. And as just explained, when God instituted the law of Moses, capital punishment was administered for working on the Sabbath. Some other offenses would also result in death by stoning, such as the worship of idols, adultery, homosexual acts, and consulting spirit mediums (Leviticus 20).
In this simple example alone, we see four distinctly different sets of rules regarding capital punishment that applied in different dispensations.
Below is a summary of all of the dispensations:
Eternity Past - Even before God created the world, He always was, having no beginning or end.
1. Innocence - from the creation to the fall of man (the first sin) - Although the Bible does not say specifically, this dispensation probably did not last very long, perhaps only a few days. It ended about 4000 BC. This dispensation is covered in the scriptures from Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 3:22.
2. Conscience - from the fall of man to the great flood - This dispensation lasted from about 4000 BC to about 2350 BC and is covered in the scriptures from Genesis 3:23 to Genesis 8:19. With very little instruction from God during this time, man acted according to his own conscience. The evil became so overwhelming, that this dispensation ended when God destroyed all but Noah and his family in the great flood.
3. Human government - from the great flood to the call of Abraham - This dispensation began in about 2350 BC and is still in effect. Although Abraham and his descendants went under the dispensation of promise around 2000 BC, as explained below, the remainder of mankind remained under the human government dispensation. It is covered in the scriptures from Genesis 8:20 to Genesis 11:32. God began allowing humans to govern themselves and to punish criminals.
4. Promise - from the call of Abraham to the giving of the law to Moses for the children of Israel - This dispensation applied only to Abraham and his descendants through his son, Isaac, and Isaac's son, Jacob (Israel). It lasted from about 2000 BC to about 1500 BC is covered in the scriptures from Genesis 12:1 to Exodus 19:7. God promised Abraham that He would give land to Abraham's seed and that all the nations of the world would be blessed by his seed. Although Israel went under the law described below around 1500 BC, the promise God made to Abraham is still in effect.
5. Law - from the giving of the law to Moses for the children of Israel to the calling of Paul, the apostle of the Gentiles (those not of Israel) - This dispensation applied only to Jacob's descendants, Israel. It began about 1500 BC and lasted until it began to fade away about 37 AD and stopped in 70 AD. It will resume for seven years during the future tribulation after the dispensation of grace listed below. It is covered in the scriptures from Exodus 19:8 to Acts 8 and from Hebrews to Revelation. The book of Acts is a book of transition from law to grace. During the period covered by Acts 9 to 28, we see the grace dispensation coming in and the law dispensation fading away. God chose Israel as the apple of His eye. He gave Israel strict laws, harsh punishments, and prophecies of worldwide prominence in the future kingdom of their coming Messiah.
6. Grace - from the calling of Paul, the apostle of the Gentiles, to the rapture of the church - We are now in this dispensation. It began in about 37 AD and will last until the future rapture. Hopefully it will be soon, but we do not know when the rapture will occur, except that it will occur before the seven-year tribulation. This dispensation of grace is covered in the scriptures in Paul's letters from Romans to Philemon. When Israel refused to accept Jesus Christ, who had ascended to heaven, as their Messiah, God turned to the Gentiles to provoke Israel to jealousy (Romans 11:11).
7. Kingdom (or divine government) - from the return of Jesus Christ to the great white throne of judgment - This begins at the end of the seven-year tribulation mentioned above and lasts for 1000 years. During this time, Jesus Christ will reign as King in Jerusalem. This dispensation is covered in Revelation chapter 20. However, much more detail on this dispensation may be found in many prophecies in various other parts of the Bible.
Eternity Future - This dispensation begins at the end of the 1000 years mentioned above and lasts forever. It is covered in the scriptures in Revelation chapters 21-22.

Understanding the dispensations clears up all sorts of confusion. For example, many people cannot understand who Cain married. Obviously, he married one of his sisters, since there were no other women to marry. These people know that today, a man should not marry a near relative, or perhaps they are aware that the law given to Moses for Israel says not to marry near relatives. However, people often assume that this rule was always in effect. But in reality, Cain lived 2500 years before God instituted the statute against marrying a near relative. People who do not study dispensationally will find themselves mixing up the rules intended for different people in different dispensations. Thus, they have little chance of gaining a clear understanding of the scriptures and even God's will for their own life.
Notice that sometimes dispensational time periods can overlap one another, with two different dispensations applying to two different groups of people. For example, the whole time that Israel was under the law (#5) dispensation, all of the Gentile nations were under the human government (#3) dispensation. A similar overlapping occurred from about 37 AD until 70 AD. During this time the Jews in Israel were still under the law (Acts 21:20-21) which ended when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD. But the Gentiles and Jews living outside of the land of Israel were already under grace (#6), the dispensation committed to Paul (Ephesians 3:2), the apostle of the Gentiles (Romans 11:13).
Now at this point I should explain something that has been a great source of confusion for most Christians (including myself in the past). Paul says in 2 Timothy 2:8 "Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel ...." How can Paul say that it is "my gospel"? Paul explained in Galatians 1:11-12 that he did not learn the gospel that he preached from any man, but rather, was taught it "... by the revelation of Jesus Christ." The ascended Lord Jesus Christ revealed the mystery of the gospel to Paul. The fact that it was a mystery means that no one knew it before. It had been a secret.

to be continue in next page.......

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