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Old 21st April 2007, 12:46 AM   #1
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Question Do you agree with grace ministry?

Like to ask the rest views and opinions on grace ministry and sermons.

Do you agree with such a grace ministry?

New Creation church seems to be focusing on such grace ministry.

Let's hear some views and opinions on this.
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Old 21st April 2007, 11:21 AM   #2
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Like to ask the rest views and opinions on grace ministry and sermons.

Do you agree with such a grace ministry?

New Creation church seems to be focusing on such grace ministry.

Let's hear some views and opinions on this.
What is a grace ministry?
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Old 6th June 2007, 07:45 PM   #4
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Well i too heard so much about NCC teaching about grace, also when spoken to their members, it seem like they believe in OSAS doctrine. So any pointer from the rest of the christian about Once saved always saved doctrine!! To me it is not possible, as salvation is not a one time thing

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Old 22nd June 2007, 10:38 AM   #5
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ofcos we are saved by grace. and grace is the basic foundation in christianity.
i have listened the grace msg preached by pst joseph prince in hillsong aus and in singapore. it has become his specialization in it.
but we need to know that God does not spoonfeed us.
he do not say. if u follow me by grace i will give u what u desire and the best.
he say if u follow me and work hard. by grace i will give u what u desire.

it got to have a balance when it comes to grace. some treat it as a license to sin. some continue sinning. and who cares we are saved by grace. no matter how we sin God will forgive. a BIG NO.

i agree with what pastor joseph preach about grace. but i think it will need rev Dr kong hee's message on antinomianism to balance it. God is love. God forgive but God do not forgive everyone depending on the heart of the person. i'm not saying God is unforgiving. but if u know God will forgive and u go againest him and kill someone on purpose knowing u will be forgiven after a few hour of repenting and praying. i can assure you. u are not forgiven.
but again God knows our heart.

i'm not saying grace is wrong. but don't let grace change your heart and neglect the teaching of God.

i once preach heard that we are living in this world that the old testament is no longer in need that the new has overwrite the old that 10 commandment is not needed to be fulfilled.
we have grace thru the blood of jesus. but 10 commandment and the law of the Lord is still working.

grace is not a license to sin.
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Old 22nd June 2007, 11:00 AM   #6
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Cheap Grace

Let the Christian rest content with his worldliness and with this renunciation of any higher standard than the world. He is living for the sake of the world rather than for the sake of grace. Let him be comforted and rest assured in his possession of this grace - for grace alone does everything. Instead of following Christ, let the Christian enjoy the consolations of his grace!

That is what we mean by cheap grace, the grace which amounts to the justification of sin without the justification of the repentant sinner who departs from sin and from whom sins departs.

Cheap grace is not the kind of forgiveness of sin which frees us from the toils of sin. Cheap grace is the grace we bestow on ourselves. Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession, absolution without personal confession.

Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate.

Costly grace is the treasure hidden in the field; for the sake of it a man will gladly go and sell all that he has. It is the pearl of great price to buy which the merchant will sell all his goods. It is the kingly rule of Christ, for whose sake a man will pluck out the eye which causes him to stumble, it is the call of Jesus Christ at which the disciple leaves his nets and follows him.

Costly grace is the gospel which must be sought again and again, the gift which must the asked for, the door at which a man must knock.

Such grace is costly because it calls us to follow, and it is grace because it calls us to follow Jesus Christ. It is costly because it costs a man his life, and it is grace because it gives a man the only true life. It is costly because it condemns sin, and grace because it justifies the sinner. Above all, it is costly because it cost God the life of his Son: “ye were bought at a price, and what has cost God much cannot be cheap for us. Above all, it is grace because God did not reckon his Son too dear a price to pay for our life, but delivered him up for us.

Costly grace is the Incarnation of God.

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

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